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Title: Carter says Obama row is 'racist'
Category: Political
Posted By: leewgrant
Date: 2009-09-16 06:58:13

[leewgrant]

I have no doubt there is a racist element out there but there are also many who object to Obama's tax and spend policies and are concerned about what his health care plan might do the overall quality of health care in the US.

Sometimes it's easier to look for simplistic answers than to do a thorough analysis of the problem.

And before we forget it Bush was vilified by millions and he wasn't just call a liar and warmonger but had a pair of shoes thrown at him.

[Zipperfish]

leewgrant leewgrant:

I have no doubt there is a racist element out there but there are also many who object to Obama's tax and spend policies and are concerned about what his health care plan might do the overall quality of health care in the US.

Sometimes it's easier to look for simplistic answers than to do a thorough analysis of the problem.

And before we forget it Bush was vilified by millions and he wasn't just call a liar and warmonger but had a pair of shoes thrown at him.

Well, in the shoe-throwers defence, Bush did preside over the detsruction of his country and the violent detah of about 600,000 of his country men, many women and children. All in all, I thought the shoe throwing response was pretty moderate in comparison.

Adn if you look at what Carter said, it was actually closer to our own thoughts--that there is a racist element, not that everyone involved is a racist. Good for Carter for speaking out.

[martin14]

Does anyone listen to that doddering old fool ?

I think I stopped in 1979.

Maybe Allah is busy keeping him alive.

[ridenrain]

I think the ones who are calling racists are the Dems.

[commanderkai]

Sigh, it's just a sad way to ignore any Republican opinion by calling them racist. Sure there might be a "small minority" but the word racist is a very general, and is usually applied very generally. All those protests against Acorn? White people being racist. Tax Party? Racist because it's a black man in office. Blah blah blah.

You want to call people racist? Find an actual person and call them a racist, generalizing a group of people, and calling them racist, insults and marginalizes that entire group. If calling all Muslims or Arabs terrorists demeans all Muslims or Arabs, you should apply it to your political opponents.

[GreenTiger]

Wilson isn't a racist, he is just an idiot that can't keep his mouth shut when he is supposed to. He was probably broughup in a batn.

That makes him an inconsiderate baboon not a racist.

[Zipperfish]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

Wilson isn't a racist, he is just an idiot that can't keep his mouth shut when he is supposed to. He was probably broughup in a batn.

That makes him an inconsiderate baboon not a racist.

First off, everyone is a racist. We can't help it. It's in our nature. We are an extremely visual species. We are also intelligent and our minds tend to categorize things. So we tend to stereotype based on appearances. From an evolutionary perspective, there is a lot of evidence that distrust of different looking humans (or, concversely, trust of similar-looking humans) provided an evolutionary advantage.

As for Joe Wilson, in his very first job he served perhaps the most racist of all Senators in modern history, Strom Thurmond. This is a man who statutorily raped a black maid when he was 22. I don't know the man, but I'm thinking he has has a problme with a black president. Just my guts feeling, mind you.

[Zipperfish]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Sigh, it's just a sad way to ignore any Republican opinion by calling them racist. Sure there might be a "small minority" but the word racist is a very general, and is usually applied very generally. All those protests against Acorn? White people being racist. Tax Party? Racist because it's a black man in office. Blah blah blah.

You want to call people racist? Find an actual person and call them a racist, generalizing a group of people, and calling them racist, insults and marginalizes that entire group. If calling all Muslims or Arabs terrorists demeans all Muslims or Arabs, you should apply it to your political opponents.

Perhaps that's why Carter specifed that there is "an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president". Judging by some of the signs displayed at the Taxpayer March on Washington, it would be hard to argue that there were racist elements present. Not everyone, of course, but the "non-racists" protesting at the Taxpayer March should be asking themsleves why the crowd was so white.

[ridenrain]

Again, there can..MUST be no other reason to oppose the bill..
Anyone who opposes it MUST be racist.

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[commanderkai]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Perhaps that's why Carter specifed that there is "an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president".

You thought he meant among many feelings? I'm sorry, he meant among many people, not among many "feelings" like you seem to be suggesting.

$1:

Judging by some of the signs displayed at the Taxpayer March on Washington, it would be hard to argue that there were racist elements present. Not everyone, of course, but the "non-racists" protesting at the Taxpayer March should be asking themsleves why the crowd was so white.

Wait wait, there were lots of whites at a protest march, and so therefore that's racist? There was a majority of whites within anti-war protests too, oh shit there's racism.

It's not an argument, people like Carter are using racism to marginalize different opinions and organizations, which have no racist intent. Are the crazies within the Tea Party movement? Sure, but no more so than the crazies within the anti-war movement. Should we judge all movements, nations, religious beliefs, or organizations by their nutball fringe? Because that's what seemingly is suggested by left wing individuals, and politicians.

[Freakinoldguy]

WTF does every time any opposition come up to Obama's policies, the race card is played.

When non whites opposed GWB's, Hillary Clinton's, or John McCain's policies I never once heard the term racist used. But now that Obama's in the White house it's become the new byword, for left wing apologists, who by virtue of their own self induced guilt, attempt to use it to push through their personal agendas.

It's time for America to stand up to these sanctimonious race bullies, Jimmy Carter included and tell them to STFU, since, except for a small minority of lunatics, the opposition isn't about Obama's race but about his policies.

[Zipperfish]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Perhaps that's why Carter specifed that there is "an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president".

You thought he meant among many feelings? I'm sorry, he meant among many people, not among many "feelings" like you seem to be suggesting.

That's right, among many people, but not all people. "The protests aren't racist; some people in the protests are" would be my interpretation.

$1:

Wait wait, there were lots of whites at a protest march, and so therefore that's racist?

Not necessarily, but it's alegitimate question to ask. Why? Why so white? I'm not talking about a "majority" of white. Take a look at some vidoes, the ones just milling through the corwds. That's not "majority" white, that is "statistical anomaly" white. I'm not accusing. I am really genuinely interested. If it's not race, then is it class? Culture? It can't be just random.

$1:

It's not an argument, people like Carter are using racism to marginalize different opinions and organizations, which have no racist intent. Are the crazies within the Tea Party movement? Sure, but no more so than the crazies within the anti-war movement. Should we judge all movements, nations, religious beliefs, or organizations by their nutball fringe? Because that's what seemingly is suggested by left wing individuals, and politicians.

Maybe he is. But let's not be naive here. There was no shortage of attempts by the right to marginalize those in the anti-war movement. Regardless, I see your point, and two wrongs don't make a right.

There are as you say, fringe elements involved from teh far right. One issue I have is how much the far right controls the whole right these days, at least from my persepctive.

What is your opinion as to why whites were so overrepresented (based on a random smaple of Americans, which is compoesed of about 74% white people, I think) in that crowd?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

The people at the rally don't have to be racist. BUT, there are certain elements on the radical right that have stirred up controversy using things like the health care bill as a smoke screen for their REAL issue. Let's assume for a minute that there were 2 million people at that march. They were all marching to protest something they have only been allowed to hear one side of. They've been duped by the likes of Beck and Limbaugh anong others, who, while not being openly racist, don't quite manage to hide the fact they are. Now you can tell me that there are plenty of resources for people to check out the facts on health care reform for themselves. But let's face it, we all know that the majority of NORTH Americans would rather listen to the wags and take their opinion as gospel, rather than educate themselves, or are just too damn partisan to even care.

I'm also not saying that racism is the ONLY force at work here. The health insurance industry is also using health care reform as a smoke screen to protect its own interests. And everyone knows or should know by now, those interests DO NOT include their clientele!

[ridenrain]

I just heard on the news that most of US doctors oppose the Obama health care bill.
I guess they must all be racists or manipulated by those neo-con racists too.