[DerbyX]

Yawn.

Middle of the pack taxes no where near more then most on earth, an ever increasing manufacturing industry and an auto industry on the skids only under a conservative government and a country that is going somewhere.

Oh, and that Taliban created by a former afghan freedom fighter.

[Akhenaten]

It's not middle of the pack. You keep saying that proving you can't read. If you can read please prove it. It is well ABOVE the middle of the pack as the chart shows. it's also clearly more than most people on earth pay.

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an ever increasing manufacturing industry and an auto industry on the skids only under a conservative government and a country that is going somewhere.

Mnnn,no. It's the best we could do mired under 75 years of Liberal dependance on selling resources rather than building something long term. The very fact that the only thing you can point to is one failing auto undustry proves we're in poor shape compared with where we should be in the manufacturing sector.

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Oh, and that Taliban created by a former afghan freedom fighter

Yes the Taliban was created and funded by one man . Nope. Once more for the those with a learning disablity like you:

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What actually happened was that the Pakistan intelligence agency had created a group called the Taliban to help them in their endless conflict with India.

[Akhenaten]

Middle of the pack

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Table 8.2: Percentage Change in Taxes From 1965 to 1996

Total change (Percentage)
Change by tax type (Percentage)

Profit and Income
Social Security
Property
Goods and Services

United States 17.3 15.4 118.8 -20.5 10.9
Japan 55.2 30.0 160.0 113.3 8.3
United Kingdom 18.4 16.8 31.9 13.6 25.7
Canada 42.1 74.0 328.6 2.7 13.3
OECD average 45.0 47.3 104.2 0.0 23.7 <--- This is the middle Derby, accept it.

[DerbyX]

yawn. We aren't higher then most of the earth by any stretch sunshine.

[Akhenaten]

That's only income tax and you know that. We're not talking strictly about income tax. What about sales tax? what about property tax? What about 'sin' tax?
We already went through this and you already know it. Makes your chart pointless and desperate.

While we're at it, excerpt from Gwynne Dyers book, "Afghanistan: A War Won and Lost":

Gwynne Dyer Gwynne Dyer:

Pakistan, whose intelligence services had
originally created the Taliban, withdrew its support, the regime fled
Kabul, and most of the Taliban troops melted back into their villages. The
government of a country of 27 million people was taken down for a death
toll that probably did not exceed 4,000 on all sides.

link

[DerbyX]

Whatever. I already posted countries with higher sales tax (and sales tax is less of an impact then income tax).

You can factor in all the taxes but your precious link is using OECD stats and the OECD is saying Canada is average in amount taxed.

Mullah Mohammed Omar (Pashto: ملا محمد عمر) (born c. 1959, Nodeh, near Kandahar[1]) often simply called Mullah Omar, is the leader of the Taliban of Afghanistan and was Afghanistan's de facto head of state

Mullah Omar started his movement with less than 50 armed madrassah students, known simply as the Taliban (Students). His recruits came from madrassahs in Afghanistan and Pakistan and from the Afghan refugee camps across the border in Pakistan. They fought against the rampant corruption that had emerged in the civil war period and were initially welcomed by Afghans weary of warlord rule.
Reportedly, in early 1994, Omar led 30 men armed with 16 rifles to free two girls who had been kidnapped and raped by local commanders.[14] His movement gained momentum through the year, and he quickly gathered recruits from Islamic schools. By November 1994, Omar's movement managed to capture the province of Kandahar and then captured Herat in September 1995.[15]

yawn. We can keep this up all day sunshine so I'll think I'll let you have the last word (kinda like sending a child to cry themselves out in their room) with any response you might make.

[stokes]

Are you two still arguing like spoiled teenagers???

[Akhenaten]

Derby thinks the Taliban was invented by one man. One more time:

Gwynne Dyer Gwynne Dyer:

Pakistan, whose intelligence services had
originally created the Taliban, withdrew its support, the regime fled
Kabul, and most of the Taliban troops melted back into their villages. The
government of a country of 27 million people was taken down for a death
toll that probably did not exceed 4,000 on all sides.

link
He also can't recognize where on a chart the 'middle' is:

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Table 8.2: Percentage Change in Taxes From 1965 to 1996

Total change (Percentage)
Change by tax type (Percentage)

Profit and Income
Social Security
Property
Goods and Services

United States 17.3 15.4 118.8 -20.5 10.9
Japan 55.2 30.0 160.0 113.3 8.3
United Kingdom 18.4 16.8 31.9 13.6 25.7
Canada 42.1 74.0 328.6 2.7 13.3 <--- More than most on earth.
OECD average 45.0 47.3 104.2 0.0 23.7 <--- This is the middle Derby, accept it.

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We can keep this up all day sunshine so I'll think I'll let you have the last word

I doubt that very much. I've just finished laying the kind of forum-"ass kicking" on you that you wish you could do, so I don't think you're ready to quit yet. You have a few more attempts to 'win' left in you

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Are you two still arguing like spoiled teenagers???

Well for sure one of us is.

[stokes]

If I said I didnt care about the argument would be disappointed, you gays have been going for three pages now and are still as far apart as were at the start.

[Akhenaten]

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you gays have been going for three pages now and are still as far apart as were at the start.
If I said I didnt care about the argument would be disappointed, you gays have been going for three pages now and are still as far apart as were at the start.

LOL!! Gonna be laughing about that one all day. Touche.


Well what can I say stokes? it's never interesting to those not involved. I know that. Wouldn't expect it to be interesting to you.

[stokes]

OMFG that is hilarious what a mistake but how appropriate....lmfao

[DerbyX]

Well look at this

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Total Tax Pressure
- Public Revenue from Taxes and Social Security
Contributions as Percentage of the Gross Domestic Product.

1975 1985 1995 1998 1999* 2000
Sweden 43,4 50,0 47,6 52,0 52,1 52,0
Denmark 41,4 48,9 49,4 49,8 50,6 49,8
Finland 37,7 40,8 44,9 46,2 46,5 46,2
Belgium 61,6 46,9 44,8 45,9 45,4 45,9
France 36,9 44,5 44,0 45,2 46,0 45,2
Austria 37,7 42,4 41,3 44,4 44,3 44,4
Norway 39,9 43,3 41,5 43,6 41,8 43,6
Italy 26,2 34,5 41,2 42,7 43,0 42,7
Luxembourg 38,8 47,7 41,9 41,5 42,1 41,5
Netherlands 43,0 44,1 41,9 41,0 40,3 41,0
Hungary - - 42,4 38,7 37,0 38,7
Czech Republic - - 40,1 38,3 37,5 38,3
Poland - - 39,8 37,9 - 37,9
Canada 33,1 33,1 35,7 37,4 - 37,4
United Kingdom 35,4 37,5 35,2 37,2 36,6 37,2
Germany 36,0 38,1 38,2 37,0 37,7 37,0
New Zealand 31,1 32,1 37,6 35,2 35,2
Switzerland 28,0 30,6 33,5 35,1 35,1 35,1
Portugal 21,6 27,2 32,7 34,2 34,5 34,2
Spain 19,5 28,8 32,8 34,2 35,1 34,2
Iceland 29,6 38,4 31,2 33,6 35,4 33,6
Ireland 30,2 36,4 33,1 32,2 31,9 32,2
Greece 25,5 29,0 31,7 - - 33,7
Australia 27,6 29,2 29,4 29,9 - 29,9
United States 26,7 26,9 27,6 28,9 - 28,9
Turkey 16.0 15.4 22.6 28.7 31.8 28,7
Japan 20,9 27,6 28,4 28,4 27,7 28,4
Korea 15,2 16,8 20,5 21,1 23,8 21,1
Mexico - 17,0 16,6 16,0 16,5 16,1

OECD 31.3 34.5 36.1 37.0 37,0
EU 15 34.3 39.8 40.1 41.3

Middle of the pack.

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Marginal tax rates for singles 2003 in 17 counties - two income levels, average and high invome earners
Marginal income tax
for an agerage income
(industrial worker*)

%
Marginal income tax
for high income earners
(3 x industrial worker**)

%
Belgium 54,9 Denmark 63,1
Germany 53,2 Belgium 59,6
Denmark 44,4 Finland 57,8
Finland 46,6 Sweden 56,1
Austria 41,5 Netherlands 52,0
Italy 46,0 Germany 51,6
Netherlands 49,9 Norway 49,3
Norway 35,8 France 49,8
France 40,3 Australia 48,5
Sweden 34,9 Italy 53,3
United Kingdom 32,0 Spain 45,0
Australia 31,5 Canada 46,4
Spain 32,6 USA 36,1
Canada 31,2 United Kingdom 40,0
USA 27,3 Switzerland 38,7
Japan 33,5 Austria 43,7
Switzerland 20,5 Japan 32,3

Looks middle of the pack again.

VAT / sales tax data

Oh look we are at the top in some stats.

Looks like we were among the better countries for net wages.

I hated breaking my last word statement but when you find gold you just got to share it. You go ahead and repost your Frasier institute link but the fact is Canadians aren't being taxed more then most people on earth.

[Akhenaten]

DerbyX DerbyX:

We can keep this up all day sunshine so I'll think I'll let you have the last word

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

You have a few more attempts to 'win' left in you

Thanks for proving me right yet again. That's 4 times now.

Again you provide stats on INCOME TAX only which of course doesn't prove anything. I see you need to read it again one more time...this covers sales tax, income tax property tax and goods and services taxes COMBINED for thirty years running, not just one year.:

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Table 8.2: Percentage Change in Taxes From 1965 to 1996

Total change (Percentage)
Change by tax type (Percentage)

Profit and Income
Social Security
Property
Goods and Services

United States 17.3 15.4 118.8 -20.5 10.9
Japan 55.2 30.0 160.0 113.3 8.3
United Kingdom 18.4 16.8 31.9 13.6 25.7
Canada 42.1 74.0 328.6 2.7 13.3 <--- More than most on earth.
OECD average 45.0 47.3 104.2 0.0 23.7 <--- This is the middle Derby, accept it.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX DerbyX:

I'm done with you on this thread.

5 posts ago...

Just like a Liberal.

[DerbyX]

You can post your false data all you want but the facts are that Canada pays about middle of the pack taxes.

http://www.worldtaxpayers.org/statpres.htm - middle of the pack and comparing the last few decades.

http://www.worldtaxpayers.org/statvat.htm - your precious VAT taxes taken into account. Middle of the pack.

http://www.oecd.org/document/6/0,3343,e ... 27,00.html - middle of the pack and its OECD data genius.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world - middle of the pack

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... age_of_GDP - middle of the pack.

http://www.heritage.org/index/Ranking.aspx - Canada with a high index of economic freedom.



If you think our sales tax jumps Canada way up on that chart you are delusional.

Once again we find that you made a snap comment about canadians being taxed more then most people on earth and nowhere have you proven that case.