[BartSimpson]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Here's the thing, riden... Every political system brings about mass misery if there's corruption.

Ask people in the Middle East what they think of capitalism. What they think of puppet governments.

Outside of Israel, pray tell, what ME nation is capitalist?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Here's the thing, riden... Every political system brings about mass misery if there's corruption.

Ask people in the Middle East what they think of capitalism. What they think of puppet governments.

Outside of Israel, pray tell, what ME nation is capitalist?

Well let's see there's ummmm..nope not that one, mmmmmmm nope, not that one either. Hmmm oh yeah Ka..nope, they ain't either

[ridenrain]

Still waiting for that beautiful example that's going to make me say.. Damn, Communism really impoved "fill in the blank". Best example I can think of is Cuba and it's a shithole of repression.

You guys can erect an imaginary statue to the imaginary world of glorious communism but we'll erect a real world statue to pay somber reminder to the countless million real world people that real world communism murdered.

[Public_Domain]

[GreenTiger]

Who knows perhaps the nazi/national socialists might get up in arms if we said "Hitler was a psychotic fink", although we have more of a problem with that in the States.

A lot of folks suffered unspeakable tortures in Communist Regimes and a lot of Candians died in Korean War.

If the folks who don't understand the history of Communism were to pick up a history book that should mske it quite clear.

[GreenTiger]

Those statues of Stalin, Lenin and all those mass murderes would be quite popular in some of the gun clubs in the states. They would make great targets.

[commanderkai]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Approximately 600,000 dead in Iraq has been teh biggest massacre in this milleniium,

Sigh. Zip, don't use moral relativism to compare Iraq War deaths to an actual massacre. Also, your number is from the highly disputed Lancet study, which attributes that 600,000 death toll. There are four other numbers discussing civilian death tolls, ranging from 92,500-1,033,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

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Your partisan hackery is all well and fine, but let's keep it in Parliament, not in dumb-ass "memorials" like this.

Partisanship goes both ways, Zip.

[Lemmy]

When I was an undergrad, they had "Campus Club Day". Each of the clubs and student groups set up a booth in the University Centre to try and recruit new members. So, I was walking through the UC, just kinda glancing at the booths as I walked, when a buddy of mine walking the other way sees me and says "HEY, what are you up to, man?" We stop to chat and I notice we're right in front of the Marxist-Leninist booth, so I answer "I was just gonna stop and see what the Commies here had to say about anything." Well this Che Guevara wannabe that was running the booth jumps up and she gets right in my face and yells "WE'RE NOT COMMUNISTS, WE'RE MARXIST-LENINISTS. YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT?"

I'm a little stunned by the whole circumstance I'm in right now. I'm thinking 'What the hell do I do? Do I yell back? Do I walk? Do I give her a tight-eye and run?' Then, cause my buddy was right there, I think to myself 'Did my asshole buddies set this up to make me look like a retard?' Or, I consider, is this broad seeing a whole TEAM of psychiatrists. Is she looney? Should I try to bone her?

So I did the only thing I really COULD do under the circumstances. She's in my face already, but I get RIGHT in her face, like almost close enough to kiss her, and I yell "FUCK OFF!!!" as loud as I can...louder than I scream the "YEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" when my band plays "Won't Get Fooled Again". Then I grab the display table and turn the goddamn thing over, spilling manifestos and bandanas and macrame plant-hangers and shit all over the floor. Yeah, so that's all I know about Commies.

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[Freakinoldguy]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

There's a huge difference between the psuedo intellectual you describe who's dabbling in socialism and real communists.

Hardcore communists are ready and willing to use force to get their utopian socialist state and once in power have now quams about turning the dream of Karl Marx into a totalitarian regime replete with labour camps, no free elections, and repressions that'd make your hair go grey.

So, you can continue to delude yourself into believing that the communists are just a group of pot loving socialists or you can read a bit more history to see just what they're really like. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's books would be a good place to start.

You supproted the Iraq War, didn't you? So it looks like you were also use force to inculcate your particular political ideology.

I challenge you to find a post anywhere, where I said I supported the Iraq war.

But just to clear up what your saying, in your mind is there a difference between democracy and a totalitarian dictatorship?

Or do you believe that people who usurp power from the people to create their own police states are perfectly legitimized, because they're communists?

[Freakinoldguy]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Greenpeace has shown more grout then any Communist group in this country.
The most eventful "Communist" incident was the accusations against Fred Rose
of being a Soviet Spy, ruining his life.

And I'm not sure how you can speak for the minds of individual Communists and
then accuse all of them of being corrupt.
If every Communist is corrupt, every Capitalist is corrupt.

I can't speak for every individual communist. But given their ideology and track record for observing human rights when they take power, I don't think I have to.

There likely aren't many hardcore communists left in Canada. They started dissapearing in the thirties and their time was over by the end of the beatnik era., The real ones either emmigrated to the Soviet Union or became disenchanted with people like Stalin or Mao and that's why I say people who claim to be communists, are more than likely to be psuedo intellectuals. who'd rather be smoking pot and bitching about the establishment than overthrowing a legitimately elected government.

As for communists being corrupt, they are and you're probably on the mark about capitalists being just as corrupt, but only in another way. Power breed contempt and in the case of capitalism money is power.

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[BartSimpson]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Then I agree with you, Freakinoldguy.

I'm glad the "Old-Style" Soviet-Communists are most likely history. That type of Communist is vastly dangerous and a disillusioned bastardization of Karl Marx's wishes.

I'd call today's Communism "New Communism", but you were pretty much correct with just "Socialist".

Except the 'New Communism' is being headed by people like Obama's buddy, William Ayres, who is on record saying that for communism to work in the USA they'll need to kill off about 25 million people. Ayres has NEVER retracted or renounced that comment.

Here's some excerpts from the New York Times review of Ayers' book...dated Tuesday, September 11, 2001. Rather ironic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/11/books ... wanted=all

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''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.''

He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings.

''Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,''

So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ''I don't want to discount the possibility,'' he said.

Old Commie, new Commie, it doesn't matter. They're still tyrants in waiting.

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[Thanos]

BTW exactly which US government department or office was Bill Ayers put in charge of by Obama anyway?