[DerbyX]

stokes stokes:

Derby, you know as well as I do that it will be impossible to erase the deficit without raising taxes and any claim to do so is an outright lie. Considering every party on the left said that lowering taxes in the first place was a bad idea.

The majority of the money spent did not go to corporations as a bail out unlike the Americans.

The only reason why we have a deficit now is because the Libs, NDP and Bloc wanted a huge bailout because we just had to do what the states were doing, so for all of the left complaining that Harper is a Bush clone, it appears they follow more american policy than he does.

Bollocks. The only reason we have a huge deficit is because Harper in a panic decided to spend his way into the voters heart. Its true the opposition parties wanted stimulus spending. Its also true both the NDP and Libs had plans to minimize that deficit through various moderate tax means and it appears they were correct. In addition the parties all voted for a budget that was only some 20 billion in debt rather then the ballooning 50+ billion we are in now. Blaming them is downright dishonest.

In addition that only person claiming that he would erase the deficit without a tax increase was Harper. What do you think he meant when he kept claiming it wasn't structural. Of course back then none of you cons were claiming harper was going to slash spending or use magic were you? In fact i recall a great deal of BS about Iggy when he said he wouldn't rule out a tax increase to eliminate the deficit.

Where were you again when Harper was claiming he was going to eliminate the deficit without raising taxes? Not attacking Harper thats for sure.

[DerbyX]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Derby, cut the BS.

Are you telling us the World wide economic downturn was a myth?

Was Obama buying support with his stimulus?

Was Sarkozy buying support with his stimulus offering for France?

Was the UK government looking to buy support?

How about China? 568 billion should buy a lot of votes!

Or maybe South Korea, Japan, Germany, Hungary, Netherlands and Australia did the same too?


Or maybe, just maybe, Liberals like you are ignoring the giant 10 tonne elephant in the room which is the downturn in the World economy that even the strongest Nations spent billions to recover from.

You're also ignoring that if there was a Liberal, NDP, Green or whatever government in place they would also follow suit and offer a economic stimulus package.

Don't forget, Derby, Liberals voted FOR the stimulus package too.

In addition to what I just posted to Stokes which goes double for you, I'll again point out the only idiot who claimed the economy was doing fine and dandy right up until it went critical was Harper. He was the person ignoring the giant 10 tonne elephant down south when everybody else was saying it was going to hit us ans most were saying it already was. We weren't taken by surprise only Harper was.

Now since you were posting newslinks that claimed harpers steady hand is what saw Canada through the rough times its down right dishonest to claim his leadership didn't lead us into it then. What goes around comes around and once again I'll point out that Harper is the man behind the budget. The Liberals supported it but that was back before it grew an additional 30 billion in the red.

If Harper doesn't want to accept responsibility then rest assured Iggy will be more then happy to assume that role.

[Akhenaten]

Whatever. Derby know's he's full of crap. The dude'll say anything.

[DerbyX]

Seems to me Harper is the one going back on all his cherished promises sunshine.

[Akhenaten]

DerbyX DerbyX:

:roll: Seems to me Harper is the one going back on all his cherished promises sunshine. Derka derka derka. Derka derka do-diddly-derk

Yeah well a lotta things are strange in your world.
Up is down.
Left is right.
A win equals a loss.
Iggy just got back from 30 years in the US but it's Harper that's an 'American'.
The spending Harper didn't need to do that the liberals insisted on because he needed to do it was just to buy votes he doesn't need and now you say he never needed to do it at all.
You didn't know who Iggy was 6 months ago but now that he's Liberal leader it's time to just do the bobblehead to everything he says because you just know he's going to fix the deficit by pulling $50B straight outta his whoo-hoo nelly.

Whatever. Your double-speak head-in-the-sand antics might be frustrating if the Liberals had a hope in hell of winning the next election but they don't so it's just amusing. I'll just sit back and wait to see how many seats they lose this time.

[DerbyX]

The only clown here spining a load is you sunshine. Don't let the facts dissuade you from your usual load of BS though.

Of course the fact that Harper has been claiming ever since he dug us into deficit that he would bring us out of it without taxes or spending cuts is lost on you isn't it sunshine?

Lets not forget that Iggy was the guy saying that he wouldn't rule out a tax increase, a statement that had con hacks all outraged just as they are now outraged at the thought it can be done without a tax hike. Too much truth for you sunshine? Didn't see you laughing or criticizing Harper all those months he claimed it wasn't a structural debt and we didn't need to worry because he would right the ship real quick.

Want me to repeat it in gooback for you? Off you go now.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

Lets not forget that Iggy was the guy saying that he wouldn't rule out a tax increase,

Yep. And now he says he can do it without taxes and you gobble it right up.

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Too much truth for you sunshine? Didn't see you laughing or criticizing Harper all those months he claimed it wasn't a structural debt and we didn't need to worry because he would right the ship real quick.

...and he did. That's too much reality for you. Watching you dance around it is enough entertainment for me Derb. Keep at it. Like I say, you're the one who needs to prove everything. I can just sit back and watch the Liberals sink. Nobody believes this line of his Derby, except you. Everyone in the country, liberals included is laughing at Iggy right now. Every pundit, every analyst - laughing.

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Off you go now.

Keep saying that. After the next election I'm guessing it'llbe you 'going off'. Now continue with the Party line...

"Left is Right...Up is down....Harper's an American but Iggy isn't....the stimulus wasn't needed, but we insisted on it because it was needed....I haven't read Iggy's resume but I just have a gut feeling he's the right leader for us...."

[DerbyX]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Yep. And now he says he can do it without taxes and you gobble it right up.

Nope. I'm not gobbling it up. I'm pointing out to you massive hypocrites that you all gobbled it up when Harper said he would do it. I supported tax hikes before and I support them now and believe that they will be necessary and far preferable to any cuts. I understand entirely why Iggy is saying this and I'll be as hard on him as you cons have been on Harper for all that he's done.

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

...and he did. That's too much reality for you. Watching you dance around it is enough entertainment for me Derb. Keep at it. Like I say, you're the one who needs to prove everything. I can just sit back and watch the Liberals sink. Nobody believes this line of his Derby, except you.

Sure you do sunshine. You believed Harper then just as you believed he wouldn't run deficit in the first place.

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Keep saying that. After the next election I'm guessing it'll be you who will be 'going off now'.

Sure thing sunshine. Until then.

[DerbyX]

Look at that. Once again you alter your posts well after the fact.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

You believed Harper then just as you believed he wouldn't run deficit in the first place.

<shrugs> No I didn't.

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I understand entirely why Iggy is saying this and I'll be as hard on him as you cons have been on Harper for all that he's done.

No you won't.

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Look at that. Once again you alter your posts well after the fact.

First off it wasn't well after the fact -- it wasn't after you posted and second off so what? I didn't 'alter' it. I added to it. You just need another smoke screen.

[DerbyX]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Every pundit, every analyst - laughing.
Keep saying that. After the next election I'm guessing it'llbe you 'going off'. Now continue with the Party line...

Get that right from Harpers play book did you?

Considering every analysts told Harper the economy was crashing while he said it was fine and that even his own appointed budget guy was telling him he was dead wrong in his budget analysis I'd say we have all been laughing at Harper.

Too much truth for you again sunshine?

[DerbyX]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

$1:

You believed Harper then just as you believed he wouldn't run deficit in the first place.

<shrugs> No I didn't.

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I understand entirely why Iggy is saying this and I'll be as hard on him as you cons have been on Harper for all that he's done.

No you won't.

$1:

Look at that. Once again you alter your posts well after the fact.

First off it wasn't well after the fact -- it wasn't after you posted and second off so what? I didn't 'alter' it. I added to it. You just need another smoke screen.

More of your patented double speak. Right is left, down is up. N'uff said.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

Considering every analysts told Harper the economy was crashing while he said it was fine and that even his own appointed budget guy was telling him he was dead wrong in his budget analysis I'd say we have all been laughing at Harper.

That's funny because it is fine. Most every analyst is saying right now, "Recession? What recession?"

Whatever. You were for the stimulus and now that it worked it's all just "buying votes".

[Akhenaten]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

$1:

You believed Harper then just as you believed he wouldn't run deficit in the first place.

<shrugs> No I didn't.

$1:

I understand entirely why Iggy is saying this and I'll be as hard on him as you cons have been on Harper for all that he's done.

No you won't.

$1:

Look at that. Once again you alter your posts well after the fact.

First off it wasn't well after the fact -- it wasn't after you posted and second off so what? I didn't 'alter' it. I added to it. You just need another smoke screen.

More of your patented double speak. Right is left, down is up. N'uff said.

You need to read the book again. None of that is remotely close to 'double-speak'. Like a child you just parrot back - "I know you are but what am I" even if it makes no sense.

[DerbyX]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

$1:

Considering every analysts told Harper the economy was crashing while he said it was fine and that even his own appointed budget guy was telling him he was dead wrong in his budget analysis I'd say we have all been laughing at Harper.

That's funny because it is fine. Most every analyst is saying right now, "Recession? What recession?"

Whatever. You were for the stimulus and now that it worked it's all just "buying votes".

Nice try sunshine. Aside from the fact that job losses still mount and that most analysts aren't saying "what recession" I never supported any stimulus spending to the tune of 54 billion and any spending I did support i also supported a tax to pay for it.

Once again the facts cut through your BS.