[BartSimpson]

Curtman Curtman:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Uh, yeah. He's a cop, remember?

Yeah.. Frightening. To serve and protect. Or to malign and misrepresent depending on the issue.

Given the quotes of yours that EyeBrock cited I am not seeing where you've been misrepresented or maligned.

The facts are, as you've asserted in previous posts:

1. That you've transported illicit drugs for personal gain.

2. That you hold the laws prohibiting that same activity in contempt.

If you don't agree with your own assertions about yourself then perhaps you need to complain about how you libeled yourself on this site.

These folks are the ones you need to initiate your complaint with:

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/default-en.asp

And these are the people who will take up your issues upon the referral I anticipate after your CHRC complaint is reviewed:

http://www.cmha.ca/bins/index.asp

[Curtman]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

These folks are the ones you need to initiate your complaint with:

I have no complaint. Just enjoying a Canada Day conversation with the prohibition gestapo.

[hurley_108]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Here you go hurley;

Posted by curtman on Fri Dec 11, 2009 . There are a few more where he tells us that transporting pot for gain isn't trafficking.

$1:

For a living? When did I say that? I was a kid who got a free car to move pot around a few times a month. I've held a job since I was a child earning $4 a week to deliver the community newspaper.

His words. No lies, just curtmans version of events.

He got a 'free' car to move pot. In Canada it's called drug trafficking. The Crown rests.

Here's him sluffing it off.

$1:

You go on and give it a go.. Call the cops, and tell them a guy on a forum drove an unknown quantity of pot across town 15 years ago. Record it, I'd love to hear the response.

All curtmans posts. Easy enough to find, I just wanted to see him dig his hole a bit deeper as his hypocritical posts of his being a law-abiding citizen spewed forth from his biased and anti-cop persona.

Personally I don't really care about his criminal past. Most crims I've met are pretty decent besides the few mistakes they have made. Others are just nasty pieces of work.

What does grate is him pretending he's a solid citizen who has no beef with the cops when he obviously does.

Dig us all up a few more anti-cop youtube videos curt.

After all ,you and your little gang who were nowhere near Toronto on Sat/Sun obviously know more than I do.
I only spent 17 hour days dealing with all this. On the lines, being spat at and yelled at by people of a very similar ilk to some of you posting on here.

Curtman is no different than those who came to Toronto to just scream hatred at the cops and had no cause to protest other than they hate cops. We saw you all loud and clear and we have your measure.

Curtman, you have lied so many times on CKA that you just 'aint credible anymore.

Hurley, make sure your brain is in gear before you post in protection of curt.

Oh excuse me for at the very least playing devil's advocate. I also see Curt saying he figured out that was he was doing was not the right way to go and alerted the police to his actions. People do stupid things when they're young, then they figure out what they did was wrong. You have decided that one lapse in judgement is the same as being a hardened criminal. I'm not about to overlook what seem to me to be some very serious allegations of criminal activity made by a belligerant internet tough guy.

Seems to me that the local authorities were alerted to whatever was going on, and dealth with it accordingly.

Curt's viewpoints are no less valid than yours.

[EyeBrock]

No. I disagree. I have attempted to pass this guy an olive-branch in the past to no avail.

I have tried to debate with curt. He ups his posts to full-on screaming mode in a nano-second and chucks out the insults and negative generalisations like Halloween candy.

It’s pretty obvious, if you read his threads, he has a bit of a problem with the cops. Or maybe is just me has an issue with. He invites the responses he gets.

I won’t sit idly by while curt conducts a campaign of discrediting the police response to the G20 riots. I was actually there.

And pop off your ‘devils advocate’ pedestal for a second. You were calling me libellous without foundation on the previous page of this very thread. You are hardly a neutral third party hurely.

I am your Steven Harper and you are my Olivia Chow.

[andyt]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

They only hurt their credibilty with the losers who believe everything they see or hear in the media.

In your world paintballers have gas-masks, pellet-guns and bear spray and Joe citizen walks around the city with a crossbow.

The cops themselves admitted that the crossbow had nothing to do with G20, neither did the chainsaw - now you're calling your own work mates losers?

I gotta say I'm kinda surprised at the position you're taking here. Up to this point, while your arguments may come more from the right, they seemed pretty well reasoned. You seem to have lost your head on this topic because some demonstrators screamed insults and spat at you. If that's enough to knock you off your seat, you probably should not be working in crowd control.

[BartSimpson]

Again, I hope the next G20/G8 meeting is in a progressive place like China or Russia where they are far less tolerant of *any* protestors. The black bloc jerks will certainly miss the good graces of people like EyeBrock.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Again, I hope the next G20/G8 meeting is in a progressive place like China or Russia where they are far less tolerant of *any* protestors. The black bloc jerks will certainly miss the good graces of people like EyeBrock.

I agree.

And the non-violent demonstrators are doing their bit that we don't become more like Russia or China. With all the strikes happening in China now, and the strikers becoming more organized, I wouldn't be surprised if we see more of this sort of thing in China in the coming years. And Russia, if it ever wants to play with the big kids will also have to learn to tolerate more dissent and become more open.

[EyeBrock]

andyt andyt:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

They only hurt their credibilty with the losers who believe everything they see or hear in the media.

In your world paintballers have gas-masks, pellet-guns and bear spray and Joe citizen walks around the city with a crossbow.

The cops themselves admitted that the crossbow had nothing to do with G20, neither did the chainsaw - now you're calling your own work mates losers?

I gotta say I'm kinda surprised at the position you're taking here. Up to this point, while your arguments may come more from the right, they seemed pretty well reasoned. You seem to have lost your head on this topic because some demonstrators screamed insults and spat at you. If that's enough to knock you off your seat, you probably should not be working in crowd control.

andy.

This really is tough for you to comprehend isn't it?

There's you saying that protesters shouldn't be labelled and then there's the cops still doing their job during the G20.
These items were seized within the security zones purely because loads of cops were on duty.
It may not matter to you if people are driving around downtown Toronto with crossbows and chainsaws that are not protesters, but the cops have a job to do outside the security/crowd control duties we get. An offence is an offence. They were still cops on the G20 lines, sworn to enforce the law.

Even at the demo’s , if you punch your wife we will still lock you up for assault (domestic). G20 related or not. Cops still have a day-job.

These 'paintballer et al ' guys had all this crap on them during the G20 and in close vicinity to the G20? Come on, it wasn't G20 related but it was criminal, weapons related and of note.

I think the people who live in downtown Toronto might be interested in that shit, and so were the cops on duty.

On your attitude vs mine. I dunno mate. Was thinking that your attitude was kinda hardcore to say you weren’t even there.

I'd have a radical attitude as credible from my opposite number on this one. You really seemed to have missed the boat on the whole G20 riot thing.

Radicals with real practical knowledge and a cause are a credible but different opinion. I’ll listen. Really.

Radicals without the above, well. Not really credible. You guys know who you are.

No cause? WTF? Why should I listen to these guys who have nothing to say?


Really, most of the guys who gave me shit said they were teachers. What the hell is that?

I'll tell you what it is. Mis-directed focus.

I'm not angry andy, I'm just amazed that I can still be disappointed after all the stuff I've seen.

This weekend was disappointing. I expected something better from the demonstrators.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

I agree.

And the non-violent demonstrators are doing their bit that we don't become more like Russia or China.

Forgive me for asking, and I mean this as a serious question; what the hell were they protesting anyway?

andyt andyt:

With all the strikes happening in China now, and the strikers becoming more organized, I wouldn't be surprised if we see more of this sort of thing in China in the coming years. And Russia, if it ever wants to play with the big kids will also have to learn to tolerate more dissent and become more open.

Nope. Totally different cultures than what we have here. I imagine China may someday resemble Singapore and I imagine Russia may someday resemble Chicago, but I doubt that either country will ever resemble the West because their own people prefer authoritarian governments. And China is not about to tolerate uprisings. They managed to kill some 1,500 to 3,000 people in Tibet a couple years back and then not long before the Tibet uprising they crushed an Uighur uprising and gleefully slaughtered some 40,000 to 50,000 Muslims and laid waste to a couple of ancient cities in the process and no one in the world gave a damn.

Really, as long as we can buy cheap crap at Wal Mart, no one in the West will care about how many people die in China for any reason.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Forgive me for asking, and I mean this as a serious question; what the hell were they protesting anyway?

Does it matter? Only protests you approve of are allowed?

[EyeBrock]

andyt andyt:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Forgive me for asking, and I mean this as a serious question; what the hell were they protesting anyway?

Does it matter? Only protests you approve of are allowed?

They should have a cause andy. That's kinda basic.

[Proculation]

On 10,000 agents, on full adrenaline, I believe some were taking their job a little too seriously and were more "pre-emptive". But saying that the whole policemen squad was brutal and abusing power, that's generalization.

[Proculation]

And don't forget that the "protesters" know how to use the media. "We were only there, standing peacefully when an agent put me on the ground and beat me while insulting me. I did nothing wrong".

I'm quite sure most of those statements we hear in the media are not 100% true.

[andyt]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

andyt andyt:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Forgive me for asking, and I mean this as a serious question; what the hell were they protesting anyway?

Does it matter? Only protests you approve of are allowed?

They should have a cause andy. That's kinda basic.

Well sure, it makes more sense to protest if you have a cause, right? But it's not really a requirement to submit your cause for approval. They certainly didn't inform me, anyway. My guess would be there were some anti-globalization people there for sure.

[andyt]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

andyt andyt:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

They only hurt their credibilty with the losers who believe everything they see or hear in the media.

In your world paintballers have gas-masks, pellet-guns and bear spray and Joe citizen walks around the city with a crossbow.

The cops themselves admitted that the crossbow had nothing to do with G20, neither did the chainsaw - now you're calling your own work mates losers?

I gotta say I'm kinda surprised at the position you're taking here. Up to this point, while your arguments may come more from the right, they seemed pretty well reasoned. You seem to have lost your head on this topic because some demonstrators screamed insults and spat at you. If that's enough to knock you off your seat, you probably should not be working in crowd control.

andy.

This really is tough for you to comprehend isn't it?

There's you saying that protesters shouldn't be labelled and then there's the cops still doing their job during the G20.
These items were seized within the security zones purely because loads of cops were on duty.
It may not matter to you if people are driving around downtown Toronto with crossbows and chainsaws that are not protesters, but the cops have a job to do outside the security/crowd control duties we get. An offence is an offence. They were still cops on the G20 lines, sworn to enforce the law.

Even at the demo’s , if you punch your wife we will still lock you up for assault (domestic). G20 related or not. Cops still have a day-job.

These 'paintballer et al ' guys had all this crap on them during the G20 and in close vicinity to the G20? Come on, it wasn't G20 related but it was criminal, weapons related and of note.

I think the people who live in downtown Toronto might be interested in that shit, and so were the cops on duty.

On your attitude vs mine. I dunno mate. Was thinking that your attitude was kinda hardcore to say you weren’t even there.

I'd have a radical attitude as credible from my opposite number on this one. You really seemed to have missed the boat on the whole G20 riot thing.

Radicals with real practical knowledge and a cause are a credible but different opinion. I’ll listen. Really.

Radicals without the above, well. Not really credible. You guys know who you are.

No cause? WTF? Why should I listen to these guys who have nothing to say?


Really, most of the guys who gave me shit said they were teachers. What the hell is that?

I'll tell you what it is. Mis-directed focus.

I'm not angry andy, I'm just amazed that I can still be disappointed after all the stuff I've seen.

This weekend was disappointing. I expected something better from the demonstrators.

It's not an offense to drive around with a chainsaw. My guess is it's not an offense to drive around with a crossbow. If the police themselves admit this had nothing to do with G20, then displaying them to insinuate it did is not right. The guy with the medieval stuff understood why they seized his armor etc. But not why the cops were saying the arrows could be used as fire arrows, when later they themselves admitted it was nothing of the sort. Just the police putting out bullshit, as they so often do. They did it with Dziekanski too, only to have to come clean when the video got out. All this just adds up and undermines the credibility of the police, they're just shooting themselves in the foot. I'm sure they seized weapons etc that really were taken during the protest, just display those. If that doesn't add up to much, well live with it, admit that maybe the danger wasn't as great as made out. If you can't rely on the cops to tell the truth, who can you rely on?