[Akhenaten]

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Claiming most everybody on earth is just about the same and you are desperately trying to pull away from a blatant lie.

Not trying to pull away from anything and the fact is if it's "just about the same" then why did you need to change it? You're the one trying to pull away from what you said, not me.

The cherry picked stats you show do not reflect the past 75 years which is the stupid point YOU made and are now trying to deflect away from since you know it doesn't mean anything. They also don't reflect sales tax, property tax etc. So when you line those all up and factor in that the other nations paying more income tax for example aren't ALSO paying high sales tax, or property tax then you get the REAL stats....and they will show you that over the past 30 years we have been one of the most taxed people on Earth.

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I don't trust you and I don't trust people who claim they supported a party when they denigrate them and their past achievements but don't take my word.

I dont' care. I don't trust people who need to change what you say in order to argue with you. Like I say genius, all those votes for the Conservatives had to come from soemwhere, where do you think they came from? Right: former Liberal voters. Now that you meet one you don't believe it. I don't care. You're the bobblehead supporting an American leading your party.

Oh - and I didn't 'denigrate their past achievements'.

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And once again you alter your posts after the fact.

Not alter, add to. Again: so what? If you don't like it don't respond. Hurley has a few honest bones in his body whereas you don't posess a single one.

[Akhenaten]

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Canada's rating with The Economist: overgoverned, overtaxed and underheated

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It's quite a read...not sure if you're up for it but whatever. Beats cherry picked starts every time.

[Akhenaten]

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Taxes are eating into Canadians’ incomes more than ever, costing the average family more than food, clothing and housing combined, suggests a new survey.
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“Over the past 45 years, taxes have become the single largest expenditure in an average Canadian family’s budget, with the total tax bill for a typical family increasing by 1,590 per cent since 1961,”

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[stokes]

Derby

As I explained to Lemmmy yesterday how is it possible to erase the deficit without raising taxes (even the GST) or drastically cutting services. I have thought about this and as a member of the military it looks like we have some very tough times ahead!!

[DerbyX]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

The cherry picked stats you show do not reflect the past 75 years which is the stupid point YOU made and are now trying to deflect away from since you know it doesn't mean anything. They also don't reflect sales tax, property tax etc. So when you line those all up and factor in that the other nations paying more income tax for example aren't ALSO paying high sales tax, or property tax then you get the REAL stats....and they will show you that over the past 30 years we have been one of the most taxed people on Earth.

If you'll look they have all kinds of stats but you keep spinning your nonsense. IT was your point that we pay more taxes then most any body on earth as a counter point to my pointing out the Libs have been in charge for 75% of the time roughly. The onus is on you to back it up sunshine.

Feel free to prove 1) Canadians pay more taxes the most people on earth now or at any time for the past 100 years and be sure to note which party is responsible.

2) We have no military to speak of. Since it was a counter point to my pointing out the Libs have ran the country for some 75% of the time we have had political parties you'll have to show which parties were in power form military increases and decreases and I'll point out that you allegedly voted Liberal during the worst of it.

3) We have no manufacturing to speak of. You make sure to prove that one since it seems we have a large auto industry, or at least did until we elected Harper. You go right ahead and prove whatever point you were trying to make because all you did was make yourself look dumber then ever.

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

I dont' care. I don't trust people who need to change what you say in order to argue with you. Like I say genius, all those votes for the Conservatives had to come from soemwhere, where do you think they came from? Right: former Liberal voters. Now that you meet one you don't believe it. I don't care. You're the bobblehead supporting an American leading your party.

Oh - and I didn't 'denigrate their past achievements'.

Yeah, thats why you responded with this: That must be why we've gotten nowhere, pay more taxes than most anyone on earth, have no military, no manufacturing to speak of....

Implying that was all because of the Libs, of which you apparently voted Liberal during it. Poquas says the same thing in that he is a conservative who just isn't voting conservative right now. Of course he turns around and pretty much attacks the conservatives and their leaders since the 80s though.

Don't worry I believe you though, just as much as riden and OTI believe him.

Seeing as you are also in a flame war over on the cycle death thread I'll leave you to it and your blatant lies and hypocrisy.

Off you go now.

[DerbyX]

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Derby

As I explained to Lemmmy yesterday how is it possible to erase the deficit without raising taxes (even the GST) or drastically cutting services. I have thought about this and as a member of the military it looks like we have some very tough times ahead!!

I never said it was, ever. In fact in debates with Lemmy and Proculation I have said as much and also said that I support a tax increase ASAP to eliminate it.

I'm just pointing out that Harper has been saying he would do just that for months now and that Iggy was jumped on for simply stating he wouldn't rule out a tax increase.

Who sounded more realistic? Harper who was claiming he could eliminate it without raising taxes or Iggy for saying that he wouldn't rule out a tax increase?

In fact preventing military cuts is a good reason to support said tax hikes lest we carry the deficit even longer.

[DerbyX]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

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Taxes are eating into Canadians’ incomes more than ever, costing the average family more than food, clothing and housing combined, suggests a new survey.
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“Over the past 45 years, taxes have become the single largest expenditure in an average Canadian family’s budget, with the total tax bill for a typical family increasing by 1,590 per cent since 1961,”

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You still haven't proven your assertion about our taxes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world


No matter how you spin your lies Canadians do not pay more taxes then most people on earth now or then.

[Akhenaten]

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You still haven't proven your assertion about our taxes.

Yes I have. Whereas you show me a graph of personal income tax and I already pointed out that just because luxenburg is paying more income tax than us doesn't mean they pay any sales tax at all. The only graph that will do any good is one where we show what people around the world have been paying sum total over the past 20-30 years. When you do that it'll show us in the top ten usually, top five occasionally.

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Since it was a counter point to my pointing out the Libs have ran the country for some 75% of the time we have had political parties you'll have to show which parties were in power form military increases and decreases and I'll point out that you allegedly voted Liberal during the worst of it.

You're probably the only Canadian that needs someone to prove it was the Liberal party who degenerated the armed forces from what they were at the end of WWII. Subsequently I feel no driving urge to bother. I know I'm right and that's good enough for me.

Derby Derby:

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Oh - and I didn't 'denigrate their past achievements'.

Yeah, thats why you responded with this: That must be why we've gotten nowhere, pay more taxes than most anyone on earth, have no military, no manufacturing to speak of....

Yep. It's just that a low tax rate, a rsponsibly sized military and a bpooming manufacturing sector aren't one of their achievements.

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Implying that was all because of the Libs, of which you apparently voted Liberal during it.

Last time I voted Liberal it was because of Mulroney. That bought my vote right up till Martin.

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Seeing as you are also in a flame war over on the cycle death thread I'll leave you to it and your blatant lies and hypocrisy.

And yet your'e the one who needs to call people names and bring in other posters that have nothing to do with me.

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Off you go now.

You keep saying that like you think it'll work or it sounds cool. It doesn't.

[stokes]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Who sounded more realistic? Harper who was claiming he could eliminate it without raising taxes or Iggy for saying that he wouldn't rule out a tax increase?

Did you look at the title of this thread?

[Akhenaten]

DerbyX DerbyX:

You still haven't proven your assertion about our taxes.

No matter how you spin your lies Canadians do not pay more taxes then most people on earth now or then.

Opps...

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Canadians pay highest tax in G7 nations
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According to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) and even the federal finance department, Canada's personal income tax burden is the highest of all G7 nations, write John Williamson and Mark Milke.

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"Off you go now"

[Akhenaten]

^^^ All of a sudden it got real quiet in here.

[DerbyX]

stokes stokes:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Who sounded more realistic? Harper who was claiming he could eliminate it without raising taxes or Iggy for saying that he wouldn't rule out a tax increase?

Did you look at the title of this thread?

Yes. It isn't any different then Harper saying it and doesn't contradict him saying he won't rule out a tax hike. I think he is a savvy enough politician to realize that people don't want to hear about tax hikes at any time.

[DerbyX]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

^^^ All of a sudden it got real quiet in here.

Nope. I just aren't going to waste much more time on you.

You haven't proven your assertion as everyone can plainly see.

http://www.sirened.com/the-10-highest-taxed-countries

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These tax rates are based on OECD findings for 2006 and look at the average percentage of total taxes paid on earnings (income, social security, health care, etc).

10)Poland-43.7%
9)Finland-44.1%
Netherlands-44.4%
7)Italy-45.2 %
6)Sweden-47.9%
5)Austria-48.1%
4)France-50.2%
3)Hungary-51.0%
2)Germany-52.5%
1)Belgium-55.1%!

Gee not even in the top 10 back in 2006. Wasn't that about the time Harper took over.

Skip to your link claiming we are the highest tax payers just a few years later. Which party would be responsible for that then eh?

[DerbyX]

http://www.oecd.org/document/6/0,3343,e ... _1,00.html

Doesn't look like we are doing so badly here either.

[Akhenaten]

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Nope. I just aren't going to waste much more time on you.

Yeah you will. That's what you're doing right now. (lol.."I aren't")

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You haven't proven your assertion as everyone can plainly see.

Yeah. I have. Once more since you can't seem to read:

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Canadians pay highest tax in G7 nations
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According to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) and even the federal finance department, Canada's personal income tax burden is the highest of all G7 nations, write John Williamson and Mark Milke.

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